Tutorial/How To/Strategy Guide?

[T-Fun]

I virtually never use burst mode, so I can't comment about how they behave in that regard. I only know that I can't detect a measurable difference between the two on auto. I also can't see any measurable difference in that video.

i see were your logic is, and its good logic but...

If you want to have an accurate test you would haft to fire both at multiple ranges, both at typical fire for a good player, to determine true accuracy of a weapon.

And remember just like in real life, the accuracy of a weapon depends on the person using that weapon.

[eggsovereasy]

I virtually never use burst mode, so I can't comment about how they behave in that regard. I only know that I can't detect a measurable difference between the two on auto. I also can't see any measurable difference in that video.

i see were your logic is, and its good logic but...

If you want to have an accurate test you would haft to fire both at multiple ranges, both at typical fire for a good player, to determine true accuracy of a weapon.

And remember just like in real life, the accuracy of a weapon depends on the person using that weapon.

Maybe we should ask some players who are known to use predominatly one of the weapons in question what they think about the other one. Cause it could very well just be a personal thing for me. But i'd actually like to find out now....

[T-Fun]

i used the AR for many years, personally think it has the most accuracy of the weapons for short and long range when using laser and silencer, shooting burst of 4-5 shots

i then used the m4 for 3 months, thought it was a good weapon with laser and silencer, did well on it on the days that my aim was off and i relied on the spread of the gun more than its accuracy

now im using the lr300, i dont use the silencer with it, and shoot burst of 3-5 on auto and do fairly well

like i said, you learn the weapon it will be more accurate than the others, really its how well you can use it that determines the accuracy, with any gun

[Senwolf]

Hmmmm...i'm sorry, i dont see it. I've been playing with the LR constantly (almost since i first started) and im just now moving on to the M4 and despite what people may think about their similarities they are two different beasts. If they were exactly the same then i should have no problem using the M4 in place of the LR (especially since i dont draw the gun anyways) but whenever i perform certain actions that i know would be getting me hits with an LR i can't put the M4 to the same use. I usually use the LR on burst mode but when ever i use the M4 on burst mode it never operates the same way. I have to use the M4 on semi-auto to get the same effect. They might be very similier but if you don't start out from day one being unbiased and using all the guns equally then the minute differences are magnified when you try to cross over.

Eggs,

   I believe that you are correct that there are differences between the M4 and the LR. I get a better head shot ratio at close range with the M4 vs the LR but at long range the LR out performs the M4 in accuracy. Then the M4 beats the LR in close quarters combat. Many may wonder how I can say this. Here is a test to run.

The 2 map server is a great place to run this at in my opinion as it will give you a chance to use both weapons in both close and long range situations.

Take and play a round on each map with the LR record or remember the feel and the action of your play and your score on each map (keep in mind things like am I getting more head shots or even hits at long range? When I come around a corner in a building how easy was it for me to get on target and kill the target?). Then do the same with the M4 compare your results and I bet the majority of you will find that the LR out performs the M4 on Riyadh while the M4 does better when you are in the offices of Turnpike.

Just my humble opinion on the LR vs M4 debate

[eggsovereasy]

Hmmmm...i'm sorry, i dont see it. I've been playing with the LR constantly (almost since i first started) and im just now moving on to the M4 and despite what people may think about their similarities they are two different beasts. If they were exactly the same then i should have no problem using the M4 in place of the LR (especially since i dont draw the gun anyways) but whenever i perform certain actions that i know would be getting me hits with an LR i can't put the M4 to the same use. I usually use the LR on burst mode but when ever i use the M4 on burst mode it never operates the same way. I have to use the M4 on semi-auto to get the same effect. They might be very similier but if you don't start out from day one being unbiased and using all the guns equally then the minute differences are magnified when you try to cross over.

Eggs,

   I believe that you are correct that there are differences between the M4 and the LR. I get a better head shot ratio at close range with the M4 vs the LR but at long range the LR out performs the M4 in accuracy. Then the M4 beats the LR in close quarters combat. Many may wonder how I can say this. Here is a test to run.

The 2 map server is a great place to run this at in my opinion as it will give you a chance to use both weapons in both close and long range situations.

Take and play a round on each map with the LR record or remember the feel and the action of your play and your score on each map (keep in mind things like am I getting more head shots or even hits at long range? When I come around a corner in a building how easy was it for me to get on target and kill the target?). Then do the same with the M4 compare your results and I bet the majority of you will find that the LR out performs the M4 on Riyadh while the M4 does better when you are in the offices of Turnpike.

Just my humble opinion on the LR vs M4 debate

Much obliged Sen. Thats what i was trying to say but didnt have the words to say 
...I will add that, for myself, the M4 is much harder to control then the LR on anything other then semi-auto. Maybe its just me but the M4 is just harder to rein in on those higher ROFs.

[[AvA]Gykyll]

Main difference I see with the M4 vs Lr is their looks, and while that's VERY obvious, you gotta think that maybe one of them takes up more room on the screen than the other. Also I think (this is going from memory here) that the M4 has a larger "barrel flash" that could make it harder to hit, and more easy for enemies to see where you are at.

Also I find the m4 sound to be annoying.

[Ms. RedNeck]

/bind mwheelup ut_weaptoggle primary sidearm
/bind mwheeldown ut_weaptoggle secondary grenade

This will make it so when you scroll up with the mouse it will toggle between only the primary and pistol, and when you scroll down it will toggle between the secondary and nades. The weapon you put first on the list will be the first weapon you draw you have to scroll again to get the second. This keeps you from pulling out nades when you don't want them. You don't need to us the mouse wheel but most people do.

Note you can choose to bind any weapons you want for example I have f bound to secondary and pistol and c bound to primary and knife, g is grenades.

good luck
 

p.s. Freedos is right the M4 produces the sound of horror.

[[AvA]Gykyll]

p.s. Freedos is right.

Thanks.

[eggsovereasy]

Also I find the m4 sound to be annoying.

I find the negev to be more annoying because 99 times out of 100 it means that somewhere in your immediate vicinity is a noob who needs all 90+ plus rounds just to hit even a semi-decent player. 
...And, personally, that's pretty goddamn annoying.

[Divinity]

I figured since I saw this post by a dev on urbanterror.net that I'd post it since I think it settles the discussion of whether or not the M4 and LR are different performance wise -- they aren't except in burst mode. So kudos to eggs for feeling that difference:

http://forums.urbanterror.net/index.php/topic,16237.msg221562.html#msg221562

[HunterSugar]

I dunno. Still feel that they behave very differently. Can't hit shit with M4 on burst, and can hit even less with LR on auto.

[Divinity]

I dunno. Still feel that they behave very differently. Can't hit shit with M4 on burst, and can hit even less with LR on auto.

Except for burst mode, they are code-identical. Anything else is in your head.

[HunterSugar]

Of course it's not. I am the holder of truth! If I say they are different they ARE different.... these children of today.....

[eggsovereasy]

So kudos to eggs for feeling that difference:

Just hit applaud button under my karma a couple hundred times, it has the same effect as kudos...

I dunno. Still feel that they behave very differently. Can't hit shit with M4 on burst, and can hit even less with LR on auto.

 I whole heartedly agree. It all comes down to personal taste and I know many players who feel as Hunter and I do about the M4 and I know just as many players who love it and prefer it above all others.
 In fact, if you can't 'feel' a difference between the LR and the M4 than it should be kudos to you for being one of the most well rounded players I know (weaponwise anyway....I mean, I know some here are 'well rounded' but beer guts are a completely different matter )